Found this article while surfin' the web...makes me sad...kinda seems like Obama is more of a "Politician" than we had once hoped. It really bugs me that we have politicians arguing over this. The simple truth is that this war is unconstitutional, and not acceptable for us to be in. We need out, and it should not matter who it is that does it...whether it's our new pres, or the same old politics, we need out plain and simple.
The simple fact is that we are acting as a police state in the middle of a civil war, the surge worked...but only for a brief time, that's why it was called a surge....short bursts of energy (soldiers), but now we are back to the same situation, holding hands in a middle east civil war. Our ideals and cultures obviously clash and it should no longer be our focus to baby sit people that want to continue a conflict and self destruct.
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You might want to consider the ramifications of a sudden withdrawal before making these judgments. A removal of troops without a proper agreement could be detrimental. I don't want the Bush administration making those decisions.
The sad part about the surge too is that while it did help in Iraq it took much needed resources away from Afghanistan. We made significant gains in Afghanistan building infrastructure, educating young girls as well as boys, removing tribal warlords from power thus liberating many in the country. It's unfortunate that we're seeing a strengthening of the Taliban and an increase in violence...
Josh, I definitely don't think that an overnight disappearance would work: at all, and obviously the Bush administration is in no position to make a call about getting out, however, like I said before, Obama was a strong supporter of using the Congressional powers to help fix this, why would he now wait till there is possibly a Republican controlled senate? I think that this could have been the issue he really got behind as a senator, something of force to drive him in his push for prez...I think he has missed a chance to make significant changes to this problem. Even though a prez got us into this mess (somewhat illegally) it doesn't mean we should be sitting on our hands waiting for another prez to get us out... I would like to have seen the senate and the supreme court do their job of keeping Bush in check...more dissent on their part would have perhaps changed the course of this war.
I think that it would reasonably take AT LEAST a year for Bush or any administration to exit from Iraq, and for me that is very reasonable, however at this point we obviously aren't seeing much of an effort in that direction. That is really what I meant by withdrawl.
um yeah,that was me (geoff) signed in as Boise State...just to clarify...
I understand that, but with how the Bush administration has handled the occupation, I think I'd trust McCain before him to handle the withdrawal. At least he has some real experience. I am not defending Obama, he may be as corrupt as anyone else, but there are multiple ways to look at it, not just how the New Yorker spins it.
I don't think there's anything else to say about the main topic but I did want to say a few things.
McCain scares the hell out of me. A lot of people thing he has experience...i'm not sure what they are talking about. How is being a POW give you experience in invading a country and nation building? If you're talking about his years in the Senate, I'm still not sure how that gives anyone "experience" in that regard either.
Plus, word around the water cooler is that a lot of higher-ups in the military are supporting Obama because they don't like McCain's temper.
To be honest, I think the war in Afghanistan is just as illegal as the war in Iraq. I find it sad that nobody is talking about that. If you think the Afghan war is legal because the Taliban were responsible for 9-11, then why not invade Pakistan, the Taliban are there too.
Dan, although I agree that both wars are illegal, the one if Afghanistan makes a lot more sense to me in regards to getting involved in it...there are about a billion fewer steps that lead from 9/11 to Afghanistan than there are to Iraq. I also agree about McCain....He scares the Hell out of me, i'm sure you remember our talks about that back when he first announced his running...not sure of ANY thing that he could do to convince me he deserves a presidential position.
I too worry about his experience...his quote about "rather lose the election than lose a war" really got me... boiling...
I was thinking about this today:
It's funny what happens when elections come around. Now granted, I didn't do much research about McCain in the past but he was always a senator I really liked and respected. He represented reform and I always thought I might vote for him if he ever was the presidential nominee. Now look at where I am ... "he scares the hell out of me". That could be because I've found out a lot more about him that I didn't know before, or it's the natural course of political campaigns in this country.
I've heard so many people say "I don't like either one of them". It's the same old story even with the two unique, even likable, individuals that we have this time!
What I'm getting at is this: it isn't about partisan politics or the "republican attack machine" or the marketing of candidates, politics, issues, etc... it's that the fundamental aspects of this system are flawed.
Dan, check out my blog one or two posts back entitled "A Party for Two..." follow the links in their so some great articles about reform in todays political landscape...
What I meant by experience is that McCain has more war experience than Bush. I would of course prefer that Obama be in there, since I agree with his policy more, but Bush is completely reckless, as we have clearly seen.
In your definition of experience, where does Obama's come from?
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